the warner's intimate apparel. wow. geez, that is intimate. i could certainly see chaps and speedo being worth -- come on, this could be worth a lot to vf corporation. they but timberland last year for $2 billion. assuming they would be willing to pay roughly the same valuation for the non-calvin klein business, worth about $770 million. add it all up and you get a price far in excess of their current price, maybe dramatically more. it all has to do with a greater break up and sell that division. they have some terrific assets, as you can see, fabulous ones. some of this stuff is just priceless. but the company hasn't been able to manage them. that means these brands, whether they are talking about the calvin klein jeans or chaps or speedo's are worth more than they are to themselves. they would get a heck of a lot more out of them. i'm begging you, the best way to create value for your shareholders is to break yourself up and sell all the pieces to interested buyers. it's the way to show the naysayers that this iteration cares more about shar